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good evening folks welcome to arcane

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radio i'm sean the fork chop forker

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joining you this week live on wednesday

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february 2nd 2 february 1st

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2017. get ahead of myself there of

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course i'm joined by lon strickler

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uh he's here to uh discuss

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the topics of the day topics of the

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night and to spend some time

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with our guest this evening mr ken

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gerhart

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and lon how are you doing tonight buddy

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yeah i'm doing okay

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uh you know kind of out of it a little

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bit but i'm okay

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yeah well you know it happens and uh i'm

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a little

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under the weather today but the show

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must go on so i'm stuffed up like a

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clogged pipe and

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oh it's just another one of those days

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gotta love the winter lawn and that's

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what we're experiencing

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yep you can't ever win can't ever win

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yeah i sure don't

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but uh yeah the way it's been too big

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but too bad i mean at least we're not

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getting a whole lot of snow i mean it's

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been kind of a warm

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winter i guess but it has we have had

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some pretty wet days

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i think maybe well we had a snow come in

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monday night

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and we got maybe two inches two and a

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inches here so now i'm not complaining

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about that i like a little snow

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i don't like a lot of snow but it's

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still early in the winter yet

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and there's a lot of it left to be seen

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how much precipitation

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snowfall will actually get

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yeah well we'll see we don't normally

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get a lot of snow until maybe february

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first week of march yeah that's when we

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so i'm not looking forward to it i hate

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gonna keep the old pipes moist tonight

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now we have a good show going on tonight

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not a real busy weekend for me we did

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have a bigfoot report come in that i

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really can't talk too much about

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all right yeah i got my guys les

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sienkovich

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and matt arner on it out there in

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northeastern pennsylvania and as more

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information comes about that we'll of

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course update everybody here

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but that's about it for me

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i know some interesting things have come

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and of course just you know our regular

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news but before we start talking about

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eulon i know

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uh you did have a chance to watch beware

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the slenderman

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thoughts um i was disappointed

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hbo

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and uh i don't know it concentrated

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more on the uh situation with the two

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girls

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and the stabbing okay of their friend

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oh no that was in wisconsin wisconsin

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that's right

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uh walker

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in the hell you're trying to i've got

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i've got it right i've got it right here

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just for everybody's knowledge i threw

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lawn off guard about this i

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we weren't playing yeah we're talking

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in in mental illness and kind of

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with the slender man they didn't um

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credence as far as that concern

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it was basically just well you know

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imagination of a child or

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the imagination of a mentally ill child

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it didn't it didn't really make it

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uh i mean other you know yeah the fact

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that these girls did what they did and

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how they did it and

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slender man phenomena and they

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would have been disappointed in it quite

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object and then has somehow found a way

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like metamorphosize into something

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whatever we believe it to be lawn it

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um creepy boston yeah i'm sure it has

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with some real paranormal phenomena

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even of people of different times uh

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but it is if that makes any sense like

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of this internet sensation we would go

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back and find something in someone's

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you look at the slender man this is a

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tall guy with no face

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something awful forms that accompanied a

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lot of references to the mib

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to the point it did

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hair-raising and horrifying and that's

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anything nice

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can anything just be left alone before

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you never know you never know but aside

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uh lon and i like to let the air out of

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the closet every once in a while

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and get some new life into the room

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shortening the show just a little bit we

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guests every week for a show and not

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about things that we're involved in

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that seemed to be quite popular but we

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about uh yeah last week sean did me to

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cut you off the line i'm sorry last

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week's show was very good

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uh you know we're good give folks a

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an update on the things we've been doing

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plus you know a lot of the feedback we

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get is folks really like the first

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oh a fork or solo so this is unusual

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care of there well other things we were

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ability to be prophetic uh he's got a

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four predictions that he

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uh thinks that may happen and one is he

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has a strong sense that a major ufo

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related event will occur

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in the arctic including military

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intervention i mean it's about that time

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for a new area

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area 51 so why not uh i can't elaborate

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on that because i'm not lawn but

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he's suggesting it's going to happen in

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antarctica

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that's what he feels uh a perceived

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social upheaval or natural disaster in

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several countries

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areas during 2017 the baja peninsula

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south africa

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france dominican republic and of course

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anybody paying attention to the media in

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the united states

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of course is seeing some social upheaval

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here and who knows

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what kind of goodness will come from all

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that

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a major bridge disaster in the united

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states courses we come up on the 50th

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anniversary of the

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silva river bridge collabs i hope

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something like that doesn't happen again

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but you never know and the world will

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there will be an upsurge of angel

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encounters throughout the world

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spiritualism increases in popularity and

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this is one i find interesting but

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because i think

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when you look at the

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at least from the folks i talk to i

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think you see a spike in

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atheism and you know folks that are more

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agnostic

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than anything so uh i think a little

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spiritualism for everybody's good it's

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always good to have something to believe

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in

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i've always been a fan of i don't care

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what you believe in as long as you

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believe in something higher than

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yourself

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uh that's always been a good philosophy

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of mine

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of course myself i'm a i'm a pretty uh

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not religious but spiritual person but

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uh i think it's important that

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we're cognizant of these things you know

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folks that see angels often times are

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perceived as crazy nuts

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uh because sometimes well let's be

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honest they have some really

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unique and strange claims and when these

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things

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they happen these encounters happen

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folks usually aren't the best

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uh don't always make the best case for

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themselves they tend to go off on some

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crazy

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tangents about things that have happened

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and things that they're seeing

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but uh angelic encounters as we know

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from past

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guests and uh listening to others

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really you know perhaps they really do

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happen and they are getting uh heavenly

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visitors

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that uh look over them watch out for

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them or bring them special messages

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i think a little spiritualism will be

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good for everybody involved especially

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with all the tumultuous times

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that we're living in of course here in

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the states and with all the other people

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going on everywhere else in the world

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and

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we're not a political talk show but

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i know that regardless of how anybody

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feels about certain bands or

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whatnot i think we have to keep in mind

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that we're all people

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we all have a responsibility to love one

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another and to help one another and to

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be compassionate to one another

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and uh though we may not always agree

373
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from time to time on many things and i

374
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know there's a lot more that divides us

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that brings it together we're still

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human

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and we all have a social responsibility

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to one another to help lift each other

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up and to

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dust each other up off the ground when

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times get tough and just to be there and

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be compassionate especially in some of

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these areas of the world man where

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there's no

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no help and it's uh heartbreaking to see

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so

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come to light with the

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spiritualism increase and hell it costs

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nothing

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to be a good person and help each other

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out a little bit you back there with me

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lon

393
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through here oh today if you folks

394
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didn't realize beyond boggy creek came

395
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out it's available on kindle and on

396
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amazon.com we had lyle blackburn on

397
00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:39,680
uh two weeks ago getting ready to talk

398
00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:41,040
about this

399
00:14:44,069 --> 00:14:43,440
uh this new book uh countless reports

400
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:44,079
from credible

401
00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:45,760
individuals suggest that something

402
00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:47,600
shocking may be stalking the woods of

403
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the southern united states

404
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:51,600
something massive bipedal and covered in

405
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hail hair

406
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:54,560
tales of these southern sasquatch

407
00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,240
creatures such as the one made famous by

408
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the 1972 horror movie the legend of

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boggy creek

410
00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,199
date back to the very origins of deep

411
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south history and are reported even

412
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today

413
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while boggy creek may be the most famous

414
00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:08,160
case the infamous waterway is only the

415
00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:10,000
tip of a much broader mystery

416
00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:11,600
one that spills into the surrounding

417
00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:13,920
states and beyond from arkansas and

418
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oklahoma down to texas

419
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over the florida and all the southern

420
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states in between chilling accounts and

421
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compelling evidence indicate that a

422
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breed of these mysterious man-like

423
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creatures

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have been successfully hiding in the

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shadowy foothills piney woods and murky

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swamp lands of these areas

427
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join author lyle blackburn as he

428
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traverses woods and waterways

429
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delves into dusty archives and

430
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interviews a host of credible witnesses

431
00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:39,759
in search of one of the south's most

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enduring mysteries the southern

433
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sasquatch and that book became available

434
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today so go to amazon or wherever you

435
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:47,040
get books

436
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it is now available lyleblackburn.com

437
00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:53,519
for more information fantastic i know we

438
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are looking forward to it we'll be

439
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getting our copies here

440
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:59,920
very soon and tomorrow speaking of lyle

441
00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:00,959
blackburn

442
00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:02,720
or at midnight tonight whenever you're

443
00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:04,480
listening to this program

444
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:06,560
uh small town monsters on facebook will

445
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:07,600
be kickstarting

446
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:10,480
well their next project the mothman of

447
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,759
point pleasant

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00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:13,600
uh and folks i encourage you to go and

449
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:15,759
contribute to be part

450
00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:18,639
of uh these great films i've i've

451
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:20,320
kick-started each and every one of them

452
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:22,000
so far

453
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:23,519
and i'm a big believer in what seth

454
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,360
breedlove and his group do over at small

455
00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:27,600
town monsters and they make a fantastic

456
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,480
product

457
00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:30,480
their videos have been top-notch boggy

458
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:32,079
creek was beautiful

459
00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:33,839
i can't say good enough things about it

460
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:35,360
and i'm really looking forward to seeing

461
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:36,399
what they're going to do with the

462
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:37,360
mothman

463
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of point pleasant and that starts

464
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:41,279
tonight at midnight which is

465
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for folks that might be listening to the

466
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,600
archive february 2nd

467
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2017 and of course if you're listening

468
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:48,839
to this much farther after that

469
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,000
well that's the thought that counts

470
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:55,040
welcome back one yeah

471
00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:58,000
oh boy um i think i got to stop bleeding

472
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,199
for now but

473
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:01,920
i don't know what happened i didn't i

474
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:03,839
couldn't see it i took my called my son

475
00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:05,120
to come down

476
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:09,280
and i i said well how far did it bust

477
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:10,640
open he said that's only

478
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:12,959
moving a little bit but it bled like

479
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:15,280
hell i mean it looked like stuck big so

480
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:19,039
oh my god anyway yeah so i got something

481
00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:22,079
on it hopefully it'll stop bleeding but

482
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:23,839
uh

483
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:28,799
can talk about

484
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:31,520
something we got this week yeah let's

485
00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:32,640
have it

486
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,039
yeah we had this uh we had an up upright

487
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:37,280
canine sighting

488
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:39,679
in uh huntington county huntington

489
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county

490
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pennsylvania which is right in around

491
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the area

492
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where we've been getting a good majority

493
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:49,520
of these sightings

494
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:53,760
um this was actually near

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the raystown lake which is

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uh which is a man-made lake it's got a

497
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huge dam

498
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:04,080
big lake um

499
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and uh this particular

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beast was seen in the racetown branch in

501
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the juniana river

502
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downstream from the dam and

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i'm going to go i'll just go ahead and

504
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he's told me he said my information is

505
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second hand

506
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because it came from my father who's

507
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deceased

508
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i was in my teens when i first heard it

509
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which was around 18 years ago in 1984

510
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our family lived in a house that was

511
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located on river road along the raystown

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branch

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of the juniana river near huntington

514
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pennsylvania

515
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now one early evening during the summer

516
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of 1984

517
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he said that he was driving on river

518
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road towards

519
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route 22. the river was on his right

520
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side and it was still light outside

521
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:05,039
he noticed movement along the near bank

522
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thinking that there may have been a

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00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,640
fisherman

524
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he slowed the car to get a better look

525
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than the creature stood on two legs

526
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:15,520
it was not a fisherman but what he

527
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,480
called a walking wolf

528
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,480
the creature looked at my father for a

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second

530
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then quickly walked into the river he

531
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believes that either walk or swim to the

532
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far

533
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bank but he saw it pull itself out of

534
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the water and run into the woods on two

535
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legs now he described it as

536
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at least six foot high with sparse brown

537
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and gray hair on the body

538
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the legs and arms that looked like those

539
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of a well-developed human man

540
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:51,520
it had hands with claws

541
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and large long feet the head was that of

542
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a wolf with a heavy mane of hair

543
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:01,440
it bared its teeth which resembled those

544
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:02,480
of a dog

545
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:05,679
or wolf he said it didn't look like the

546
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:06,240
movie

547
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:09,600
wolf man that it looked more like an

548
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:12,960
actual wolf he later found a photo

549
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,000
from an old film that he said

550
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:18,159
looks similar to the creatures head and

551
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face

552
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,360
without the clothes of course i still

553
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:24,000
have it so i scanned it before you see

554
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,789
a few other family members have heard

555
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,000
the story

556
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,320
my uncle father's brother believes that

557
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,400
it was true

558
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,320
he said that there have been several

559
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:41,120
weird animals seen along the lake

560
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:42,880
and down river since the dam was

561
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,320
constructed in 1973.

562
00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:48,720
i've only heard about raystown ray the

563
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,440
lake monster which i believe is

564
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,320
exaggeration

565
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:54,159
but then again who am i to question

566
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,520
anyone's story

567
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:57,600
my father was a truthful person and

568
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,400
never told lies or make believe

569
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,480
i know that you have gotten other

570
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,000
walking wolf reports

571
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,039
and i read a few on your website

572
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,120
i looked at the map also it seems that

573
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:10,799
the creatures are real

574
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,240
and that my father roy did sit and he

575
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,080
wonder if i had contact and he wanted to

576
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:18,000
talk to me about it and i did get a hold

577
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,200
of him

578
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,480
um and

579
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,320
you know i talked to him well we had a

580
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,919
couple of emails and i talked to him on

581
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,120
the phone

582
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,280
and of course he seemed pretty honest

583
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,720
about it and feels his father actually

584
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,039
did witness something unusual

585
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,080
um added details after i talked some

586
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:38,799
details after i talked to him

587
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:43,039
and uh you know as far as

588
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,960
upright canine sightings in that area

589
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,640
i don't think there had been any

590
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,559
recorded accounts around the lake i may

591
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:52,799
be wrong but i don't remember

592
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:56,799
reading any and there have been

593
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,679
a few bigfoot encounters reported in the

594
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:01,760
past

595
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,039
and you know i don't even know that was

596
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:06,799
32 years ago

597
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:10,159
you know we really do

598
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,559
want to get older reports so we can uh

599
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,919
you know keep a record of these

600
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:18,000
sightings and you know get an idea of

601
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:19,760
what's been going on

602
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:22,720
and uh you know get a good you know good

603
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,200
read

604
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,320
where these populations we're seeing

605
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,840
singles but where there may be

606
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:29,520
populations of these

607
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,039
creatures yeah i'm interested because

608
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,159
the these reports lon they say

609
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:39,679
again very

610
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:44,480
man-like body but the head of a wolf

611
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:48,720
not wolf-like features not man-like face

612
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,000
wolf-like heads so this is something

613
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,799
very different than a werewolf or or

614
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,520
whatever

615
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,520
or you know a shape-shifting man into a

616
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,080
wolf i think these are something

617
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,440
uh very biological but that's me but

618
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,120
definitely the reports are more and more

619
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,799
consistent with what we're seeing

620
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,799
yeah i mean there there there hasn't

621
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:11,919
been a whole lot

622
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,320
of difference in the reports um

623
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:19,919
now you know the picture that was sent

624
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,039
to me

625
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,360
there seemed to be more head around more

626
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:26,880
hair around the head

627
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:31,039
than others that we had gotten i think

628
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,720
um the snout

629
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:37,200
and everything was about the same of

630
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:38,480
course we haven't heard a whole lot

631
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:38,880
about

632
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,080
teeth uh we've gotten a few but

633
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:44,799
this had canines and everything like a

634
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:47,360
regular dog or wolf would have

635
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:50,799
so uh but

636
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:53,919
you know he and i did ask him

637
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:56,960
if he saw fingers on the hands and he

638
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,279
said

639
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:58,960
he didn't remember his father saying

640
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,840
anything but he said the feet were long

641
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,760
say his father did say that it was like

642
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,120
a human's leg

643
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,320
a human leg with uh the feet

644
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,760
now i don't know if there were claws or

645
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:12,000
what on there but um

646
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,360
when he got a full look at this thing

647
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,120
was across the river so

648
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,279
it was a little more distance away from

649
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:19,679
him

650
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,510
i like he was able to get so descriptive

651
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,200
with some of the things he was able to

652
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,200
see it bear its teeth and was able to

653
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,559
you know kind of get a look at the hands

654
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,159
and see the

655
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,760
the uh kind of the

656
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,440
the hand features i guess is what i'm

657
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,120
trying to think of the more body

658
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,720
features than we typically get in some

659
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,600
of these but

660
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,240
still very consistent with just about

661
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,799
all the other reports we get

662
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,919
did he give him a weight estimate

663
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:49,919
overall

664
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:53,279
did he give a weight estimate of it no

665
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:58,559
no he did nope he did not

666
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,080
all i got was at least six foot

667
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,520
and um that was it and

668
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,919
you know the body of a man and you know

669
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,919
i i he he insane about

670
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,400
having the the real heavy chest and the

671
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,600
thin waist

672
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:16,320
but from what i understand just by the

673
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:16,880
way he

674
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,840
described it it was most lucky like that

675
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:20,799
i mean that's what was

676
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,000
that's what we're getting so but of

677
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,400
course now that being 32 years ago and

678
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:28,880
we have had other reports

679
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,320
from uh you know from many many years

680
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:33,919
ago

681
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:37,440
there's got to be if these are natural

682
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,880
well then they're breeding and you know

683
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:43,919
if that's the case then

684
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:47,520
it's most likely that there are they're

685
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,559
they're either groups or whatever so

686
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,279
uh family groups in particular what was

687
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,240
uh what's butch's thought

688
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,279
you know he

689
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:01,520
he's almost like me i we really have no

690
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,320
idea what this

691
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,520
is you know it

692
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:08,159
you know i don't know i kind of lean

693
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,990
you know aspect of it but i think butch

694
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,440
kind of looks a little bit

695
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,679
the other way a little more than i do as

696
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:20,480
for him

697
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,679
you know being uh natural

698
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,840
but you know i think there's a really

699
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,120
good possibility

700
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,799
just like i think with bigfoot that

701
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:30,880
there may be

702
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:40,710
um supernatural

703
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:43,029
yeah well always a possibility you know

704
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,559
i'm never one to

705
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,159
jump on that list but that doesn't mean

706
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,679
i'm not wrong

707
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,919
you know me i'll be happy enough to

708
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:51,440
admit i'm wrong if the

709
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:56,799
is warranted so i guess about time we uh

710
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,159
bring on ken yeah definitely well folks

711
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,840
this week we welcome our friend and

712
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,440
colleague cryptozoologist

713
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,320
author ken gerhard to arcane radio ken

714
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,480
is a widely recognized cryptozoologist

715
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,320
and field investigator for the center of

716
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,840
fourteen zoology

717
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,600
as well as a fellow of the pangaea

718
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,200
institute and consultant for several

719
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,120
research organizations

720
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,720
he has traveled the world searching for

721
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,320
evidence of mysterious animals and

722
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,919
legendary beasts

723
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,320
including bigfoot the loch ness monster

724
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,919
the chupacabra

725
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:28,480
the enigmatic winged creatures and

726
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,520
werewolves

727
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,279
in addition to co-hosting the history

728
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,080
channel tv series missing in alaska ken

729
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,440
has appeared in three episodes of the

730
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,679
television series monster quest

731
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,200
and is featured in the history channel

732
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,960
special the real wolf man

733
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,799
as well as several other television

734
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:45,200
series his credits include appearances

735
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:45,919
on numerous

736
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,880
news broadcast and radio programs ken is

737
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,559
an author and has contributed to trade

738
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,039
publications including fate magazine

739
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,279
his most recent title is a menagerie of

740
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,799
mysterious beasts

741
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,480
he currently lectures in exhibits of

742
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,399
various conferences and events across

743
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,840
the united states

744
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,919
an avid adventure he has camped along

745
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,399
the amazon explored the galapagos

746
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,080
hiked the australian outback and has

747
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,039
visited many ancient mysterious sites

748
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,960
uh and in a few moments we're going to

749
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:14,640
have ken back in the program so stay

750
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:20,950
all right folks that was quick we're

751
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,360
back

752
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:23,120
uh long didn't need the traditional four

753
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:24,399
packs of cigarettes in between

754
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,360
commercials

755
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,840
no i'm kidding a lot and i aren't uh

756
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,039
that's not lot and i

757
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,880
but anyhow we're back and we're glad to

758
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,880
have ken joining us tonight ken we read

759
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,720
your bio before we came on air so the

760
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,159
listeners are acquainted

761
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,679
uh thanks for joining us it's been a

762
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,360
little while not too long but we're

763
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,159
always glad to have you on the program

764
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,320
well guys uh it's always an honor and a

765
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:45,520
pleasure to be on here

766
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,559
uh on arcane radio and uh i

767
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:51,520
really appreciate you uh extending uh an

768
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,480
invitation

769
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,399
that's uh looking forward to this

770
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,679
evening's discussion

771
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,000
always our pleasure well before we can

772
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,310
brought you on with us we talked about

773
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,080
just another uh dogman

774
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,240
report that long got here in

775
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,520
pennsylvania and

776
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,559
there doesn't seem to be a shortage

777
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:13,760
or a slowing down of these dogman

778
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,320
reports

779
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,559
coming in uh ken have you been getting a

780
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,520
lot more sighting reports yourself

781
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,399
um honestly i don't uh i don't get a lot

782
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,480
of dogman reports maybe i'm uh

783
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,320
i haven't raised my profile enough in

784
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,159
that particular uh

785
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,200
uh area although you know i did help to

786
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:33,919
organize the dogman symposium last year

787
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,640
so i i i'm definitely fascinated by the

788
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,760
topic

789
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,480
um i just like everyone else i'm amazed

790
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,000
by the uh

791
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,919
the increase the proliferation of

792
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,679
sightings and accounts and long's done a

793
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,600
great job of chronicling those and of

794
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,720
course uh

795
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:51,120
uh my friend linda godfrey a good friend

796
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:52,240
and colleague who's

797
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,840
who you know kind of spearheaded that

798
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,480
whole thing but um

799
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,399
i don't surprisingly i don't i don't get

800
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,320
too many reports of dogman at least down

801
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,840
here in texas and i don't know if that's

802
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:02,399
maybe i'm

803
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,919
i'm not you know really

804
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,559
visible in terms of uh investigating

805
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:10,080
that particular topic

806
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,080
but uh you know it i i can tell you that

807
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,240
the reports that i do get are

808
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,240
international so i've been corresponding

809
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,440
for example with a gentleman a

810
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,840
researcher in brazil

811
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,919
named carlos enrique marquez who sends

812
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,960
me a lot of uh

813
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:26,559
down there of course they call it uh el

814
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,640
lobison which means wolfman in spanish

815
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,559
also been talking to a researcher down

816
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,080
in australia who funnels

817
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,799
reports to me from time to time so what

818
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:38,320
about that it's becoming kind of an

819
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,120
international

820
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,440
no longer just uh an american phenomenon

821
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:43,360
it seems to be uh kind of

822
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,960
uh reaching across the globe if you will

823
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,640
that's a little unusual usually it's the

824
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:50,240
other way around

825
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:54,320
you know we we get sightings of giant uh

826
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,679
ape-like creatures from asia and uh

827
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,519
migrate to the united uh the united

828
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,039
states north america and this seems to

829
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:02,840
be kind of the reverse

830
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,190
yeah that is interesting and i think

831
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:10,640
just uh

832
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,840
uh again the expansion uh not only

833
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,279
worldwide of reports

834
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,960
but just the frequency and the number

835
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,880
that that our researchers

836
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,880
like lauren and linda are receiving and

837
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:22,799
others are receiving

838
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,600
and investigating it uh you know that to

839
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,919
me is the fascinating part or aspect of

840
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,640
that phenom

841
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:31,600
particular phenomenon is you know is it

842
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,000
a case

843
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:35,279
where um we did have a number of dogman

844
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,480
encounters

845
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,720
uh prior to say uh you know a few years

846
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:40,240
ago or whenever things started blowing

847
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,600
up and maybe we just didn't hear about

848
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,720
those because people

849
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,399
were reticent to come forward didn't

850
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:45,919
know who to talk to didn't know where to

851
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:52,230
where to share their encounters or is it

852
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,039
you know like

853
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,880
many researchers have inferred is it

854
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:56,480
something where this is kind of a

855
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,880
thought

856
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,279
form phenomenon where you know people

857
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,000
are basically

858
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,360
constructing this uh creature uh and you

859
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:04,640
know giving you know breathing

860
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,000
breathing life into it if you will um

861
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,880
you know in in our modern paradigms is

862
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,760
it becomes something that we've

863
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,080
constructed and is it's now kind of

864
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,120
taking over so to speak that's a

865
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,880
line of thought to get into right there

866
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:20,960
lon what say ye

867
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:23,679
well i you know it it is kind of

868
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,640
interesting that

869
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,080
you know those reports are more

870
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,120
prevalent than what they used to be

871
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,559
i don't know if they're being seen in

872
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,399
higher numbers or

873
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,000
people are just less reserved about

874
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,240
making reports

875
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,480
but the fact is i mean we are getting

876
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:39,840
more reports and

877
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,279
um you know there are i mean

878
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,440
in particular us in pennsylvania and

879
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,279
linda course has always had

880
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:50,320
up in the upper midwest with her but uh

881
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,200
still we're getting more reports and now

882
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,039
can you say we're getting it

883
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,399
from and i had heard reports down in

884
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,799
brazil and argentina as well

885
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,200
but uh yeah it's um it seems like it's

886
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:04,799
something that

887
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,760
the uh the western hemisphere is

888
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:09,440
starting to get a

889
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,640
you know starting to get so

890
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,320
we'll have to wait and see what to see

891
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:16,960
if it keeps up um

892
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:20,159
it'll be interesting um

893
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:23,360
you know i i wanted to ask you ken

894
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:27,600
uh the dog man symposium are you um

895
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,279
are you planning on having a second one

896
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,320
um i've had many inquiries um

897
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,320
we were very proud of the success we had

898
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,240
in the first year we had about 150

899
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:39,919
people in attendance which i thought was

900
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,399
was

901
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,279
pretty good for a first year uh event

902
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:44,799
and and many people drove

903
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,600
you know a fair distance to get there we

904
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,600
held it in uh

905
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,480
defiance ohio which of course is famous

906
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,720
for a for a dogman type story

907
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:57,360
um right now the uh the kind of hold up

908
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,000
is that

909
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,799
um i'm looking for sponsorship and and

910
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,600
maybe some

911
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,440
some backers to kind of get it going the

912
00:34:08,589 --> 00:34:05,120
first year admittedly i kind of

913
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:11,430
cryptozoologists uh generally speaking

914
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:12,480
are not

915
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,240
well to do so to speak

916
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,599
where we're kind of scrappy

917
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,599
scrappy researchers that kind of scrape

918
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,200
by a lot of times and so

919
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,720
i think that's where i'm at now i'm kind

920
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,800
of trying to focus in on a location and

921
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,960
i'm hopeful that i can get maybe some

922
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:31,200
local chamber of commerce or some people

923
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:32,800
to kind of come in and

924
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,760
and uh you know help me uh sponsor it if

925
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,200
that's the case then i'm gonna go ahead

926
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,800
with it for sure but that's that's where

927
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,960
we're at right

928
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,720
yeah i hope you do get some help on i

929
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,960
think um

930
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,440
i think if it you know it actually gets

931
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,800
out there if you want to send me any

932
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,720
copy or anything or

933
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,800
uh anything to put in the blog or

934
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,520
wherever i can help you out with that

935
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,920
um oh appreciate it i'd definitely like

936
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,760
to see it yeah

937
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,640
um missing in alaska is there gonna be a

938
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,960
second season

939
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:07,040
um it's not unfortunately that's not

940
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,240
it's not looking good

941
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,440
um basically what happened

942
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,200
was um you know we thought we had a

943
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,880
pretty pretty good first season

944
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,680
and we uh we debuted with uh you know

945
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:19,119
they put us in a good spot

946
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,119
um right after ancient aliens and um

947
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:26,000
we debuted i think like 1.2 million

948
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,560
viewers

949
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:28,079
and then it dropped the second week to

950
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,520
about a million and then the third week

951
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,119
it was eight hundred thousand and then

952
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,200
they quickly bumped us over to h2

953
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,320
history two and um the show is still

954
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:38,079
airing around the world we're actually

955
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,359
uh i'm getting uh

956
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,240
constantly hearing about it airing in uh

957
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:44,560
places like south america europe

958
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,839
uh philippines and and australia and so

959
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,400
forth

960
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,400
so we've got a lot of viewers worldwide

961
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,079
but unfortunately the problem is that

962
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,400
there's been a change of regime

963
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:57,280
at the history channel um in recent

964
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,240
months

965
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,400
and from what i'm hearing the new folks

966
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,760
uh that are over there running the

967
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:02,640
history channel

968
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,599
are kind of uh fed up with quote unquote

969
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,280
paranormal programming

970
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,119
so they kind of want to move away from

971
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,240
that particular format uh they're going

972
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,839
to go with what works for them which is

973
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,960
kind of the uh

974
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,760
you know the blue-collar mountain man

975
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,359
lager

976
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,440
kind of guys now they do have that uh

977
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,119
curse of oak island show which i think

978
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,560
has been pretty successful and that

979
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,079
seems to be one that they've embraced

980
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,599
but uh sadly we are uh on hiatus and

981
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:32,320
it's just not looking good i'm afraid

982
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,440
well you know they have plenty of other

983
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,200
channels under their umbrella too now so

984
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,640
i'm sure they could find a home for it

985
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,680
somewhere you know i always thought it

986
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,960
was funny that it was the history

987
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,640
channel but he really didn't do a lot

988
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,160
with the

989
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,160
you know actual history of the last

990
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,920
several years it's been ancient aliens

991
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:46,640
and

992
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,560
historical stuff's been

993
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:52,640
you know maybe two hours a day the rest

994
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,359
is all the fun stuff that we like

995
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:58,480
yeah you know go headlines yeah and in

996
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,359
fact that that

997
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,440
uh that curse of oak island is an

998
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:02,880
excellent show

999
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:06,160
it's very interesting uh you know with

1000
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:10,000
all the caveats involved with that so um

1001
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:11,440
yeah that's good now if you can't get a

1002
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:14,560
history challenge maybe you can find

1003
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:17,599
the producers can find another um

1004
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,960
another outlet somewhere let's hope

1005
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:23,119
i liked it well well thanks i appreciate

1006
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,000
it had a lot of

1007
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,920
fun making it of course alaska was

1008
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:28,160
always kind of on my uh bucket list and

1009
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,040
uh

1010
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,040
so much there to explore of course and

1011
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:33,119
so much potential when you consider it's

1012
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:33,839
uh

1013
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,079
square miles of

1014
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,240
you know essentially untapped wilderness

1015
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,839
i mean so uh right

1016
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,440
you know that's that's where discoveries

1017
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,359
are made but um

1018
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,359
yeah we'll see i i appreciate the vote

1019
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,920
of confidence like i said i appreciate i

1020
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,520
also appreciate everyone who's watched

1021
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,359
who's been supportive of it i do get a

1022
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:55,040
lot of fan mail and people that are into

1023
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,359
this

1024
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,760
into the show so uh and it's it's nice

1025
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:59,520
to see it getting a second life around

1026
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,320
the world and

1027
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,800
being broadcast on history channel

1028
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,240
outlets around the world that's

1029
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,400
pretty cool have you uh watched every

1030
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,119
episode yourself

1031
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,160
of the show yeah yeah of course

1032
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,640
did you have a do you have well you know

1033
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:16,000
some people don't like that i

1034
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,079
i hate listening to anything we ever do

1035
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,079
like i don't go back and listen to it

1036
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,200
but well i don't watch it i don't watch

1037
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,800
it repeatedly i think i caught each

1038
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,560
episode once maybe twice

1039
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:28,960
and and honestly guys there's there's

1040
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:31,760
one episode where i broke my ankle

1041
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,800
and um yeah i fractured my ankle and

1042
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,560
they kept filming and it was i was in a

1043
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,560
lot of agony and writhing and screaming

1044
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,320
and so that that particular episode is

1045
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,680
hard for me to watch for

1046
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,480
for obvious reasons you know don't want

1047
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:46,880
to relive that particular situation

1048
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,320
but um well i was going to ask if you

1049
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,839
had a favorite episode so i know which

1050
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,000
one's not your favorite

1051
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:56,960
yeah um yeah that's a good question

1052
00:39:03,349 --> 00:38:57,599
actually

1053
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:03,359
filming certain episodes you know we

1054
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,560
were kind of talking

1055
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:06,240
the cast and crew were talking amongst

1056
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,520
ourselves and we would get a feeling

1057
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,200
like oh i don't think this episode's

1058
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:11,040
gonna you know it's not that dynamic i

1059
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:12,160
don't think this one's gonna be very

1060
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,040
good and

1061
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,880
surprisingly some of the ones that we we

1062
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,480
had singled out as

1063
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,400
potential failures were turned out to be

1064
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,320
some of my favorites so uh

1065
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:22,560
one in particular is um the episode

1066
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,599
where they talk about

1067
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,880
um the quote-unquote ice gnomes

1068
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,839
which uh in reality it was basically

1069
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,520
kind of like um

1070
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:34,240
uh alaska's version of the little people

1071
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,119
and uh

1072
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,720
there are a number of native names for

1073
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:38,880
them up there but they're called um

1074
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,079
the jinxi ox the ishtik you know

1075
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:44,160
the inkstigak there's many different

1076
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,359
pronunciations but

1077
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,400
the descriptions sound like um basically

1078
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,800
uh ivan sanderson's proto-pygmies little

1079
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,920
hairy

1080
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,720
uh dwarf-like creatures uh little foot

1081
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,320
type creatures that are standing about

1082
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,839
three feet tall

1083
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,680
um that particular episode turned out

1084
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,000
pretty good um and also

1085
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,720
uh one of uh relating to something

1086
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,000
called the amarok

1087
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,240
or demon wolf which is basically like

1088
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,720
described as like a a cross or hybrid

1089
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:13,359
between a bear and a wolf

1090
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,040
or a giant rogue wolf and also

1091
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,160
i guess the third one might be the uh

1092
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:22,079
be a tie between the thunderbirds which

1093
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,680
of course is a subject near and dear to

1094
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:24,720
my heart

1095
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:28,400
and also the uh

1096
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,839
quote unquote snow monkeys sound silly

1097
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:32,880
when you say them

1098
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,000
unless you explore the the material but

1099
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,599
you know there are reports of of

1100
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,040
something called the katani

1101
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:42,079
or ketchen i can barely say that

1102
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:45,520
um which are basically described as uh

1103
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,560
tailed uh primates that live in uh

1104
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,640
certain areas uh in the alaska

1105
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,640
wilderness and uh are very aggressive

1106
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,720
towards humans and live in caves and and

1107
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,440
subterranean uh type settings

1108
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,920
those were all kind of fun now why would

1109
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,960
you

1110
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:03,440
uh why why would people find that weird

1111
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,319
ken that

1112
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:07,040
there would be like a a snow monkey why

1113
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:07,520
would

1114
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:11,680
be out of the realm of possibility

1115
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,560
well um you know even myself you know

1116
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,680
admittedly myself

1117
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,200
you know when they first came to me with

1118
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,880
this this concept well we're going to do

1119
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,920
this thing

1120
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,440
there's this legend of these snow

1121
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:23,920
monkeys or tailed ones and i

1122
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:26,000
i was already scoffing at it at that

1123
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:27,119
point saying

1124
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,560
i've never heard of this you know what

1125
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,000
you know i don't think we're going to

1126
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,000
find anything here i don't see any

1127
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,520
you know potential for this particular

1128
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,599
episode but then i went down i spent a

1129
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,960
lot of time when i was there on my off

1130
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,319
days at the

1131
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:42,400
anchorage library and they have an

1132
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,599
amazing

1133
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,240
uh archival section in the basement of

1134
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,079
different folklores

1135
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,880
uh you know books and literature they're

1136
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,880
relating to all the different athabascan

1137
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,960
and yupik folklore and different things

1138
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,880
and so lo and behold there were all

1139
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,720
these stories and tales of these

1140
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,440
katani these tailed ones and so i

1141
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:02,800
thought holy crap there's uh there's

1142
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,280
some

1143
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,200
you know a basis here and then uh

1144
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,800
furthermore i began to look at

1145
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,839
you know the viability of a you know of

1146
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,240
a primate a monkey-like primate living

1147
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,440
in uh in that type of habitat and then

1148
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,520
uh you know when i began to investigate

1149
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,520
and research the snowmachax or the

1150
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:22,800
japanese macaques which are basically

1151
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,400
monkeys that are very well adapted to

1152
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,520
cold snowy frigid

1153
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,400
conditions so i thought wow wow this is

1154
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,680
cool they're you know they're actually

1155
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,720
they're you know they're

1156
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,760
there are actually monkeys that

1157
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,839
that live in these types of conditions

1158
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:40,800
uh

1159
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,870
you know over the years you've written a

1160
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,160
great deal about

1161
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:55,040
winged anomalies including flying

1162
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,480
humanoids

1163
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,760
now in your opinion which

1164
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:02,240
of these type of creatures is the most

1165
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:03,359
compelling

1166
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,829
well uh i would say definitely the

1167
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:10,960
thunderbirds

1168
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,000
um for not for a number of reasons

1169
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,400
and you know i'm uh i'm sure your

1170
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:18,240
listeners are more educated than most

1171
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,760
when it comes to these different types

1172
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,839
of creatures and cryptids and so forth

1173
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,880
but uh

1174
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,680
thunderbird of course is a reference to

1175
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,920
a native american a widespread native

1176
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,359
american belief

1177
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,280
uh you find in you know in different

1178
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,640
cultures ranging from

1179
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:34,800
alaska and the pacific northwest across

1180
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,359
the uh the southwestern deserts the

1181
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:39,119
great plains new england everywhere all

1182
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,079
of these native american

1183
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,079
tribes had these stories of these

1184
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,079
massive birds

1185
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:45,760
that were often described as super

1186
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,599
eagles raptor type of birds

1187
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,359
and the name thunderbird is a reference

1188
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,960
to the belief that these

1189
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:54,880
giant birds create thunder with the

1190
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,510
so you have this this great foundation

1191
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:02,640
of mythology

1192
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:05,839
and you know again widespread

1193
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,960
very similar descriptions and the other

1194
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,319
thing is that you have

1195
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,960
a a fair number of modern reports of

1196
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,240
course many people have heard of the

1197
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:15,920
lawndale incident in illinois

1198
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,800
back in july of 77 when when marlon lowe

1199
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,599
was

1200
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,480
snatched up by uh by one of two giant

1201
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,200
birds in front of several witnesses

1202
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,480
and you know you have spates of

1203
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,640
thunderbird reports here in my home

1204
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:29,599
state of texas

1205
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,000
in illinois pennsylvania and so forth

1206
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,680
but i think the clincher for me is the

1207
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,520
fact that we did

1208
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,359
uh we know from our fossil history that

1209
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:40,880
there were in fact

1210
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,400
enormous birds uh that very much fit the

1211
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:46,319
descriptions of these thunderbirds there

1212
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,880
were these

1213
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,280
these giant birds that lived up until

1214
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,720
about 11 or 12

1215
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,160
000 years ago until the end of the

1216
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,920
pleistocene epoch

1217
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,760
and these birds were known as

1218
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,440
territories we don't know a whole lot

1219
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,800
about them although we found many of

1220
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,040
their fossils in places like the la brea

1221
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,200
tar pits in california

1222
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,920
but one one species uh in south america

1223
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,319
had a wingspan of about 24 feet across

1224
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,440
it was known as argentavis and uh here

1225
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:12,880
in north america

1226
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,000
there was a species known as aolornis

1227
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:18,240
which had a wingspan of about 17 or 18

1228
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,440
feet across

1229
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,920
and these birds were potentially related

1230
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,560
to modern vultures and cranes

1231
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:27,520
uh they had a hooked beak um and you

1232
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,160
know they

1233
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,920
they were essentially carry-on they they

1234
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,280
may have eaten carrion

1235
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,720
they may have been predators they may

1236
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,839
have spent a lot of time on the ground

1237
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,200
because they were so massive

1238
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,800
but you know so here you have uh those

1239
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,800
three lines of evidence kind of matching

1240
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,240
up in terms of the

1241
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,560
native american folklore the modern

1242
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:46,160
accounts and descriptions which are very

1243
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,200
consistent

1244
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,599
and then you know a potential candidate

1245
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:51,920
that actually did exist

1246
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:55,200
uh so um i think the thunderbird

1247
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,880
you know and you know we have to face

1248
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,160
the fact that we are

1249
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,839
like many cryptids we're completely

1250
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:04,319
devoid of physical evidence there

1251
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,000
uh no one has found a giant feather

1252
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,000
or egg or nest or giant pile of

1253
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,720
droppings or anything that would uh kind

1254
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,430
much like the sauce there's not even

1255
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,280
really any photographic evidence there's

1256
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:22,960
uh there are some kind of

1257
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,040
ambiguous films and things but

1258
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,880
so it is kind of hard um to wrap

1259
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,599
your head around the possibility that a

1260
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,599
something that has an 18-foot wingspan

1261
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:37,280
that's flying through the air

1262
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,280
has avoided being described and

1263
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:43,839
documented by science so

1264
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,839
uh it it's kind of a conundrum but um

1265
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,359
i think of all the flying things

1266
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,880
cryptids and creatures that i've

1267
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,640
investigated it seems to be the most

1268
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,109
so um have you had any personal

1269
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:06,309
with anything with anything

1270
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,160
yeah any type of cryptid um

1271
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:12,079
you know i've often recounted this story

1272
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,200
i've never seen a

1273
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,319
cryptid with my own eyes regrettably

1274
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,520
i've tried very hard

1275
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,839
spent a lot of time in the field and in

1276
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:21,920
supposedly active areas

1277
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,440
um but i believe that i was within about

1278
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:27,760
40 yards of a soft squatch on

1279
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,400
at least one occasion um this was in

1280
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,040
2003.

1281
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,119
i was with a bigfoot researcher from

1282
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,599
texas uh named chester moore jr

1283
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,680
very prolific researcher and we were we

1284
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,839
were in an area of north texas

1285
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,520
um where there had been a number of

1286
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,440
sightings fairly remote area it took us

1287
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,800
about 15

1288
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,200
miles down a dirt road to or you know

1289
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:50,559
really not even a road i

1290
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:53,920
think 15 miles down a gravel trail

1291
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,640
to get to this little lake um right

1292
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:58,559
after sundown we were hiking around the

1293
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:58,960
lake

1294
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,480
and we heard these deep loud

1295
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:05,359
guttural grunting noises and i actually

1296
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,000
recorded them

1297
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,480
because i had a video camera rolling and

1298
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:10,319
it sounded very much like a

1299
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,520
a primate it was a deep panting grunting

1300
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,200
kind of sound that kind of reminded me

1301
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,280
of howler monkeys that i'd heard down in

1302
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:20,160
south america central america but much

1303
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,440
louder much more

1304
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,079
aggressive we were all kind of

1305
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,680
white-knuckled at that point

1306
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,040
didn't know what to do because it was

1307
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,640
this thing we couldn't see it it was in

1308
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,000
the deep brush but it was

1309
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:32,160
it was there and we we couldn't equate

1310
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:33,280
those sounds to any

1311
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,880
known animal anything that we'd ever

1312
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,040
heard

1313
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,960
we did stay in that area and camp in the

1314
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,800
area and it was kind of a crazy night

1315
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,760
but uh again no visual sighting but the

1316
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,680
next morning when we finally were able

1317
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,280
to to work our way through this heavy

1318
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,960
brush safely

1319
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,280
we found some evidence there was

1320
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,319
basically this

1321
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,319
on this small beach there were some deep

1322
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,599
footprints

1323
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,920
and there were some mutilated animal

1324
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,040
carcasses

1325
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,359
turtle shells several large turtle

1326
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,599
shells had been ripped open

1327
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:06,240
uh ripped in half i should say much like

1328
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:06,960
you would see

1329
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,559
a pistachio shell laying on the ground

1330
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,640
there were no remains there was no flesh

1331
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,079
so something had

1332
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:16,240
basically ripped all these turtles apart

1333
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,280
eating their remain

1334
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,280
or in their flesh and left the

1335
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,880
footprints behind

1336
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,960
and so kind of the the synthesis of all

1337
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,480
of those events

1338
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:27,200
um you know to me is the most convincing

1339
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,559
thing i've experienced

1340
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,640
that there must be some kind of giant

1341
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:32,079
powerful primate

1342
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,200
roaming the woods of north america

1343
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,559
wow you know it's interesting i

1344
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:41,359
i found a picture of you when you were a

1345
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,480
boy

1346
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,920
in the amazon well can you tell us a

1347
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:47,359
little bit about that

1348
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,800
uh you were were you on an expedition or

1349
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,720
something

1350
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,720
oh it was kind of a camping trip believe

1351
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,800
it or not

1352
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,520
yeah my um i was very fortunate growing

1353
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,520
up my mother was a travel agent

1354
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,680
and she was very adventurous and loved

1355
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,280
to travel all over the world

1356
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,079
and um she knew of my interest in

1357
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:09,760
exploration and

1358
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:13,280
investigation and legends and so forth

1359
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:13,760
so

1360
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,960
places but uh cool

1361
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,880
i think i was probably eight or nine

1362
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,720
years old and um

1363
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,240
my mother and my sister and i we

1364
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:24,240
traveled to south america first we went

1365
00:50:26,310 --> 00:50:25,599
to machu picchu

1366
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,320
and

1367
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,119
[Music]

1368
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,480
subsequently we also went to the

1369
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,880
galapagos islands but

1370
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,880
for that particular leg of the trip we

1371
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,640
camped along the amazon

1372
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:39,839
river actually the manus river

1373
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,040
which is a tributary of the amazon in uh

1374
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,960
northeastern peru and it was a very we

1375
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:47,200
camped in a very primitive camp

1376
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:50,160
um and uh we actually got to spend some

1377
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:51,280
time with some different

1378
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,960
uh native peoples there was the uh

1379
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:56,960
the yagwa tribe which is i think the

1380
00:51:03,270 --> 00:50:59,520
tribe that uh we took that picture with

1381
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,280
as well as the hivarro which were uh

1382
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,920
allegedly were head hunters uh and

1383
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,200
cannibals until

1384
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:09,119
modern times but they were very nice to

1385
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,319
us

1386
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:13,520
but um well you were too shot good so i

1387
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,319
don't think there was going to be a

1388
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,920
problem with you

1389
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:18,160
yeah i didn't that was actually handed

1390
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,280
our guide

1391
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,880
kind of handed that over to me for the

1392
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,559
photograph so i don't think i was

1393
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,680
authorized

1394
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,359
but i tell you what i definitely drew

1395
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,960
his ire because

1396
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,640
as we would hike through the jungle i

1397
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,400
was constantly you know as a young boy i

1398
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,240
was very curious and i kept picking up

1399
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,680
things that i wasn't supposed to

1400
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,240
i'd pick up a tarantula and he would

1401
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,680
start yelling at me and

1402
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:39,119
throw it out of my hand and then he'd

1403
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,720
chop it up with a machete don't touch

1404
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:42,000
anything you know

1405
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,599
and then at one point i remember picking

1406
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,760
up this gorgeous caterpillar that had

1407
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,119
like these beautiful long

1408
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,000
colorful hairs and it was apparently

1409
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:51,680
deadly poisonous and he knocked that out

1410
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:54,960
of my hand and chopped it up

1411
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,000
maybe so i i yeah i attempted fate

1412
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:00,720
several times on that trip and uh got to

1413
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,319
swim in the amazon with

1414
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,640
piranhas which apparently you can do if

1415
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:06,640
you just don't splash around too much

1416
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:15,109
boy were you lucky we could pretty well

1417
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,599
tell

1418
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,359
back then what you're going to be into

1419
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:19,760
i'm i'm jealous i really

1420
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:22,800
am that that was so cool i

1421
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,240
um wow that's all i can say about that

1422
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,720
that's just great

1423
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:30,800
uh well it opened it opened my mind

1424
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,839
because you know when you're in this

1425
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,440
area like that and you realize

1426
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,440
wow there could be anything out here you

1427
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:36,960
know yeah

1428
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:40,720
yeah wow um

1429
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:44,880
so what's on ken gerhart's bucket list

1430
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,000
what do you want to do

1431
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,200
and uh before you kick the bucket

1432
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,520
well gosh i don't know we have if we

1433
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:55,119
have enough time left in the show

1434
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,319
uh that's a great question um

1435
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:03,119
man so so so much um well right now

1436
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,319
things that uh

1437
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,880
really that i find very exciting are of

1438
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,119
course the investigation into the

1439
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,839
thylacine or tasmanian tiger as it's

1440
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,440
often called

1441
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,440
i have colleagues and friends that have

1442
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,040
been down there doing research

1443
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:20,319
on the island of tasmania uh are very

1444
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,440
convinced that these

1445
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:24,720
the thylacine which of course is a large

1446
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,520
uh large carnivorous marsupial

1447
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,520
very looks very wolf like but it's

1448
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,280
actually more closely related to

1449
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,680
you know tasmanian devils and and

1450
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,359
kangaroos and things

1451
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,559
uh it was declared extinct

1452
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,400
in recent years the last sightings were

1453
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,480
in the 1930s but there's a fair amount

1454
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,839
of evidence that's still down there and

1455
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:47,280
i really think that it's one of the more

1456
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,240
viable

1457
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,079
cryptids out there and i think that if

1458
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,160
it were discovered alive and well of

1459
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,760
course it would be a boon to the field

1460
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,599
of cryptozoology because it would

1461
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,800
illustrate uh that other things

1462
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,319
could also be running around out there

1463
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:01,920
undiscovered or

1464
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,000
unknown um i've always been

1465
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,400
i've always wanted to go to scandinavia

1466
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,160
and investigate uh

1467
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,920
many of the lake monsters and sea

1468
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,240
serpents of course the legends of

1469
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,720
of the sea serpents kind of originated

1470
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,640
off the coast of norway and

1471
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,480
uh there's a long tradition in history

1472
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,640
there of sightings of some kind of giant

1473
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:25,680
aquatic cryptid um and i've also

1474
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:29,119
uh i'm very interested in um

1475
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,119
uh i guess the yeti and and similar

1476
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:35,280
man beasts from asia you know you have

1477
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,280
the uh the mongolian almas or amnesty

1478
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,720
in china there's something known as the

1479
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,400
yeren

1480
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,839
vietnam has the noingroy

1481
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,720
and so there are these kind of bigfoot

1482
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,079
type creatures throughout

1483
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,079
asia and what's interesting in many

1484
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,440
cases is that

1485
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,960
we we seem to be dealing with a

1486
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,040
different um i don't know if you'd call

1487
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,799
it a subspecies

1488
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,480
or maybe something entirely different

1489
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,680
but of course in the case of the almisty

1490
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,559
people have described them as being more

1491
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,000
neanderthal like

1492
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:10,160
um you know certainly very very her

1493
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:11,440
stewed and hairy

1494
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,040
and man-like but in some respects um

1495
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,079
wearing um you know garments very crude

1496
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:20,400
garments or furs loincloths

1497
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,520
using crude tools and and even bartering

1498
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:25,040
and trading with the locals

1499
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:26,900
sounds like an exciting zappy

1500
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,640
[Laughter]

1501
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:29,680
[Music]

1502
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,240
nice cheese we're touched uh

1503
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:36,079
well you know that's interesting because

1504
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:37,359
you you wrote about

1505
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,119
you wrote about the um uh

1506
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,760
about the possibility if if bigfoot's a

1507
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:45,920
giant form of homo erectus

1508
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:49,520
in uh in the wood knocks book

1509
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,799
uh can you kind of talk about that a

1510
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:54,960
little more

1511
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:58,400
yeah absolutely so um of course there

1512
00:56:03,789 --> 00:56:02,000
uh most bigfoot enthusiasts are familiar

1513
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,799
first and foremost with the theory of

1514
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,319
gigantopithecus which is

1515
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,640
which we know of from you know a handful

1516
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,920
of jaw bones and

1517
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,640
thousands are so teeth that have been

1518
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:14,000
found in asia

1519
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:15,280
and the reconstructions of

1520
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,799
gigantopithecus we don't really know a

1521
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,400
lot about gigantopithecus but we know it

1522
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:19,760
was really big

1523
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:23,119
probably stood you know 10 feet tall

1524
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,000
uh probably based on its teeth it

1525
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,079
probably ate a lot of bamboo

1526
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,200
um and it lived in china vietnam and and

1527
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,079
also india or pakistan so we there was a

1528
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,559
you know a giant hominid that lived

1529
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:39,280
uh up until about maybe 500 000 years

1530
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,160
ago

1531
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,000
so that's the common theory and i i

1532
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,760
think lately in the bigfoot field

1533
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:46,319
uh another candidate that's gaining

1534
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,040
momentum

1535
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,240
is paranthropus uh formerly known

1536
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,720
as australopithecus robustus and that's

1537
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,119
uh dr jeff naldrum his reconstruction of

1538
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:57,359
a sasquatch is based on

1539
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:00,480
this this hominid from africa

1540
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,920
that had a very powerful jawbone

1541
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,680
was also called the nutcracker man

1542
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,359
because he had this huge jawbone in this

1543
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:09,520
huge sagittal crest and was very robust

1544
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:10,480
and thick

1545
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,680
so those have been kind of the leading

1546
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:14,240
candidates but um i just think it's

1547
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,839
interesting i think people should

1548
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,520
should definitely consider and explore

1549
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,400
the possibility that homo erectus

1550
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,599
uh could it could have evolved or

1551
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,960
potentially devolved

1552
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:27,119
into the modern sasquatch and some of

1553
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:28,720
these other wild men around the world

1554
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,280
and

1555
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:31,200
the primary reasons are that homo

1556
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,400
erectus

1557
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,720
uh from the from what we've collected so

1558
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:36,799
far in terms of fossils homo erectus was

1559
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,280
the most

1560
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:40,000
widespread hominid its fossils have been

1561
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,040
found in africa

1562
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:43,280
parts of europe and pretty much all over

1563
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,079
asia

1564
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,480
possibly even in australia and possibly

1565
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,880
even in mexico

1566
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,960
and we also know that homo erectus was

1567
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:53,440
around for a really long time

1568
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,760
i think the oldest fossils date back

1569
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:58,319
about 1.8 million years ago

1570
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:01,599
and uh potentially as recently as

1571
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:04,400
you know forty fifty thousand years ago

1572
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:04,799
uh

1573
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:08,960
hobbit

1574
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,440
which many people are now saying is not

1575
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,520
not a homo erectus offshoot

1576
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,440
you know maybe as recently as 18 000

1577
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:16,880
years ago so we have

1578
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,280
the most successful hominid the most

1579
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:20,960
widespread hominid

1580
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,799
um and furthermore sasquatch

1581
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,480
many people that have had encounters

1582
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,000
with sasquatch

1583
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,880
um describe it as very human looking in

1584
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:32,720
the face

1585
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,640
it seems to be extremely intelligent

1586
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,920
or i should say they seem to be

1587
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:39,760
extremely intelligent because they're so

1588
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:41,680
good at avoiding us and not being

1589
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,680
found now the arguments against homo

1590
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,319
erectus are that

1591
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,200
homo erectus uh at least later versions

1592
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:53,119
of homo erectus uh appeared to be

1593
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:54,559
manipulating fire

1594
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,680
and also tools very crude tools

1595
00:59:01,030 --> 00:59:00,319
and of course no no no real strong

1596
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,040
evidence

1597
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,680
of sasquatch using either fire or tools

1598
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,520
has surfaced

1599
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,359
but in the book and the wood knocks book

1600
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,440
i explain this

1601
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,000
by stating that you know the use of fire

1602
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,680
would be a disadvantage

1603
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,400
for homo erectus with the emergence of

1604
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,000
of us homo sapiens because

1605
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:20,000
it would be much easier to track them

1606
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,599
down and kill them wouldn't it

1607
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,359
if they were setting out fires in the

1608
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:24,960
woods all the time sure

1609
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:28,000
um yeah and yeah and also the other

1610
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:28,319
thing

1611
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,359
is that um uh you know imagine if

1612
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,680
uh certain relic populations of homo

1613
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:35,359
erectus had retreated deep into the

1614
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,319
wilderness

1615
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:38,000
they may have actually regressed

1616
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,520
culturally uh

1617
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:42,079
in in in a way to adapt to their

1618
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,760
surroundings which is of course

1619
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,799
you know more of a wilderness type

1620
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,400
environment

1621
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,559
and the last thing to consider is that

1622
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:52,799
there is evidence that

1623
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:55,839
all of the animals

1624
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,799
all the mammals i should say during the

1625
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,319
ice age went through a period of

1626
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,599
gigantism

1627
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,440
and we need to look no further than the

1628
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:04,960
woolly mammoth

1629
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:08,480
um the the giant cave bears the dire

1630
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,960
wolf

1631
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,280
giant beavers there are many giant

1632
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:13,520
sloths there are many many examples of

1633
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,040
of animals that are still around today

1634
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:19,040
sort of you know in relation i should

1635
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:20,640
say that were much

1636
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,839
larger and also much hairier

1637
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,839
during the ice age because the you know

1638
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,200
the climate of the world the

1639
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:29,040
temperatures dropped you had the glacial

1640
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,079
movement uh

1641
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,119
glaciation and so forth so why not homo

1642
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:35,040
erectus why not why didn't homo erectus

1643
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,240
perhaps

1644
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,319
have an offshoot that became very large

1645
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,000
and robust

1646
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,079
bergman's rule states that animals with

1647
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,920
a larger body mass are going to fare

1648
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,240
much better in a cold environment

1649
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:49,040
uh and obviously grow grow longer body

1650
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,160
hair

1651
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:52,400
so you know it's just pure speculation

1652
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,200
on my part

1653
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:55,440
but uh you know just something that i

1654
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,640
want you know

1655
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:58,400
just just kind of wanted to throw into

1656
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:00,559
the hat because um

1657
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,240
uh you know homo erectus in my mind at

1658
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:06,240
least is kind of a compelling candidate

1659
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,440
to explain

1660
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,559
uh our modern uh relic hominid reports

1661
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,160
i just took like a half page of notes

1662
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:14,079
here uh

1663
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,599
listening like kind of blew my mind like

1664
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,200
i've not thought about that

1665
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:20,079
a kind of a regression or a de-evolution

1666
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:21,599
i think we're always fascinated by the

1667
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,240
next step

1668
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:24,079
and what could happen with an evolution

1669
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,440
but why not

1670
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,920
think about that's that's amazing stuff

1671
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:28,880
it's good it's

1672
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,640
good theory i mean when i read it uh

1673
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,720
and i wanted to ask i'm going to talk to

1674
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:36,559
you about it i

1675
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,920
i mean it sounds it sound to me i mean

1676
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:40,400
you know

1677
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:44,319
your theory and uh yeah i mean that

1678
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:51,829
anything is possible and i unfortunately

1679
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,440
at this stage until until we have

1680
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,400
physical evidence it is all speculation

1681
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,720
but uh that sometimes that's the funnest

1682
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:00,640
part

1683
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,069
do you i got one question for you and i

1684
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,920
don't know if you you would answer this

1685
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:09,440
or not but

1686
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:12,559
do you believe in a possibility that

1687
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:16,640
there may be a ufo or non-terrestrial

1688
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,160
connection with cryptids

1689
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,280
um i'm i'm open i'm open to the apostles

1690
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:25,520
i'm open really to any possibility and i

1691
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:26,559
think that's a

1692
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,440
key a key component to being a a purely

1693
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:31,680
objective investigator particularly when

1694
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:35,039
you're dealing with extraordinary claims

1695
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:37,039
is that you you have to certainly you

1696
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:38,480
have to be open-minded

1697
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,760
um you you know critical

1698
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:44,160
uh critically thinking skeptical but

1699
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,160
also open-minded because

1700
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:48,319
we've been proven wrong so many times

1701
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,319
before i mean how many times do

1702
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:52,319
scientists have to basically go back and

1703
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,520
rewrite

1704
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,359
different theories and so forth as new

1705
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:57,200
discoveries are being made

1706
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,160
um you were asking me earlier about if

1707
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:02,240
i'd ever seen a cryptid um

1708
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,920
i did see i did see him i'm laughing

1709
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:07,200
because this is one of those things that

1710
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,680
might be

1711
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:09,280
you know get me into trouble with with

1712
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,559
certain researchers that are always

1713
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:12,160
giving me a hard time anyways about my

1714
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:13,200
stance but

1715
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:16,799
um i i did actually have a ufo sighting

1716
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:18,079
one time

1717
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,280
and i'm not saying it was

1718
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:21,039
extraterrestrial because i don't know

1719
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:21,359
that

1720
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:25,839
identify

1721
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,559
and the story behind this there's

1722
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:30,160
actually a bigfoot connection here

1723
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,640
because

1724
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,480
the sighting took place at a place

1725
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,319
called charles mill lake

1726
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:36,640
just outside of mansfield ohio oh yeah

1727
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,359
yeah

1728
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,200
familiar with that i was there i was

1729
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:41,119
there investigating bigfoot reports

1730
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:41,839
years ago

1731
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:43,839
something known as big head that's kind

1732
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,680
of the local name for this bigfoot

1733
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:47,520
creature that's been seen around charles

1734
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,720
mill lake

1735
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,880
and uh another researcher and i were out

1736
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,480
at the lake camped out one night

1737
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:54,160
and we were out there with all our

1738
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,920
cameras and night vision goggles and

1739
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,280
different things

1740
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,960
and at one point during the course of

1741
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:01,039
the night and through the course of the

1742
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,720
night we had heard and seen many

1743
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,319
airplanes passing overhead

1744
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:06,480
of course you can always recognize an

1745
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:08,319
airplane it's got the flashing lights on

1746
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,200
the wings and

1747
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,880
you can hear the engine noise and so

1748
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,240
forth

1749
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,559
but at one point after all these

1750
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:16,480
airplanes had crossed overhead

1751
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,680
a giant black triangular object with

1752
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:21,359
flashing lights around

1753
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,039
three corners you could clearly see

1754
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:25,039
there it was like a triangle shape with

1755
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,799
multi-colored flashing lights on the

1756
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,079
three points

1757
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,720
began to pass over our heads and it was

1758
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,160
completely silent

1759
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:34,720
didn't make a sound and the thing looked

1760
01:04:37,349 --> 01:04:35,520
enormous

1761
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:37,359
and of course i could i didn't have the

1762
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:38,559
right photographic

1763
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,880
equipment to get any kind of decent shot

1764
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:42,640
i tried in vain

1765
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,520
um but there was you know for all i know

1766
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:46,880
it could have very well been

1767
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,440
some kind of experimental military craft

1768
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,119
i found out later that that there is

1769
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,760
there are air force bases in that area

1770
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,599
i also found out later that there's a

1771
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:57,839
very famous ufo encounter that happened

1772
01:05:00,950 --> 01:05:00,079
over mansfield ohio where a helicopter

1773
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:00,960
pilot

1774
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:03,119
claims he was caught in the tractor beam

1775
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,559
of a ufo

1776
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:06,960
and i've never heard that story before

1777
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:08,960
but um you know

1778
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,559
that was very interesting to me that i

1779
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:12,160
was out there looking for bigfoot and i

1780
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,880
had this

1781
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,359
sighting of this ufo for lack of a

1782
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,280
better word so that is that is my own

1783
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:18,559
personal

1784
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:22,480
uh ufo bigfoot connection although it's

1785
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:25,760
very tumultuous at best

1786
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:28,720
now in terms of bigfoot sightings and

1787
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:30,720
ufos of course i

1788
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,000
greatly respect and revere stan gordon

1789
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:36,559
he's a fantastic researcher who's been

1790
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,599
doing it for

1791
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,319
half a century and i've had you know

1792
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,920
i've read his books and i've had many

1793
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,520
discussions with stan and he has

1794
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:45,839
produced the most compelling evidence

1795
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,400
that they're at least in pennsylvania in

1796
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,480
the early 70s there were a heck of a lot

1797
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:51,920
of bigfoot sightings

1798
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,440
that seem to be uh lined up with

1799
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,200
a number of ufo sightings and other

1800
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,960
weird occurrences so that's the most

1801
01:06:01,430 --> 01:06:00,480
probably the most compelling body of

1802
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,440
evidence there

1803
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:03,280
oh yes but what i always tell what i

1804
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:04,559
always tell people though is that when

1805
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:06,240
you look at

1806
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,520
the thousands of bigfoot sasquatch type

1807
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:11,760
sightings that are now on record

1808
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:15,599
across north america um

1809
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:18,799
the percentage of them that seems to

1810
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,960
link them in any which way with any type

1811
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:22,480
of paranormal

1812
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,920
or ufo type activity is probably

1813
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:28,000
less than one percent i i don't even

1814
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,440
know if it's that much

1815
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:30,880
the vast majority of sightings of

1816
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,720
bigfoot or sasquatch or people

1817
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,400
are driving on a remote mountain road

1818
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,920
and something big in here he runs across

1819
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:37,039
the road

1820
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,799
or someone's out camping and they see

1821
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,400
something peeking at them from behind a

1822
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:41,839
tree

1823
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,760
all these types of behaviors would be

1824
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,760
completely normal and natural for a

1825
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:46,880
giant

1826
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:49,920
primate hominid whatever animal that's

1827
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:51,200
running around in the woods

1828
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,799
there's you know there's really nothing

1829
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,480
that uh

1830
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:56,720
unexplainable about that if you accept

1831
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,960
the possibility that these animals or

1832
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,240
these creatures are

1833
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:02,160
undiscovered primates or animals or

1834
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:03,520
hominids or whatever you want to call

1835
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,480
them

1836
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,559
so that that's my view it's a bit it's a

1837
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,000
big picture of you

1838
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,440
you know you have to look at the

1839
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:11,680
evidence and in my own opinion

1840
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,079
the evidence that they are

1841
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:16,079
extraterrestrial in origin or

1842
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,119
supernatural

1843
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:19,359
or interdimensional you know anything

1844
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,640
like that it's just

1845
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,640
the evidence is not there for me

1846
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:24,240
personally yet but that doesn't mean

1847
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:24,960
that i'm not

1848
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:28,240
open-minded to the possibility that at

1849
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:30,799
least some cases some sightings

1850
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:34,480
uh could have sort of supernatural or

1851
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:37,440
uh extraterrestrial connections at least

1852
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,240
a very small percentage of those

1853
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,960
well you know all the reports i've

1854
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:45,039
gotten over the years

1855
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,599
i mean i don't mean for anything but i

1856
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,079
did get one report

1857
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:53,280
where there was a connection and in fact

1858
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:57,359
the gentleman who saw this thing

1859
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:00,400
actually saw the bigfoot disembark from

1860
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:03,920
a craft wow yeah

1861
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:07,680
this this was in nova scotia back in

1862
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,440
uh about 2012.

1863
01:08:17,229 --> 01:08:14,640
and uh i was already

1864
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,239
interested in some of the possible

1865
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:19,359
habituations

1866
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:23,279
uh that was going on there with bigfoot

1867
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:27,199
but he had been seeing a lot of these

1868
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:30,400
large glass-like orbs

1869
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,839
i mean they were huge but these craft

1870
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,839
were kind of like looked like they were

1871
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:37,359
made of glass

1872
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:40,560
well anyway there's a large field across

1873
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:43,759
the road from his house he's a farmer

1874
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,319
and he actually saw one of these orbs

1875
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,159
come down

1876
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,279
and two creatures disembarked one was

1877
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:54,080
looked like a sasquatch and the other

1878
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:54,400
one

1879
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,080
left the print that looked like a huge

1880
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:00,640
turkey foot and it was wide it was like

1881
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,749
i don't know what the hell he saw but he

1882
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:09,199
saw something

1883
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,880
and uh you know

1884
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,799
that's you on the report over all the

1885
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:17,040
years that i've ever received

1886
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,199
that you know correlates with the ufo

1887
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,000
actually correlates with ufo now of

1888
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:25,759
course i've heard

1889
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,640
i've heard bigfoot reports and maybe a

1890
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:31,120
half hour later somebody saw a ufo

1891
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:34,000
but you know i don't really you know i

1892
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,480
really don't

1893
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,640
count that i mean i think i'd count

1894
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:38,640
yours more so than i would that

1895
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:41,839
but uh but that's the only one

1896
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,239
so yeah they're few and far between but

1897
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,799
i i agree with stan you know there was a

1898
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,799
lot of flap that was a nice flap that

1899
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:51,199
was going on in the early 70s up

1900
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:54,480
here in pa and uh the

1901
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:57,679
people were seeing these things yeah

1902
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,239
have you

1903
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,239
ever heard the story this is actually my

1904
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:01,760
favorite one stan's got a couple of good

1905
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:02,480
ones

1906
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:05,360
that he's uh documented but there's a

1907
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,159
story

1908
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,120
of the guy that saw the bigfoot piloting

1909
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,199
the ufo in frederick wisconsin have you

1910
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:13,679
ever heard that story

1911
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:16,640
you know i never heard that one yeah i

1912
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:17,840
don't remember i wish i had the

1913
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:19,280
specifics in front of me and i don't

1914
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:20,320
remember if i read it

1915
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:23,600
uh one of those 40 in books from the 70s

1916
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:24,640
or 80s but

1917
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,239
essentially the story is that a guy in

1918
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:27,920
frederick wisconsin

1919
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,960
was driving up a highway or

1920
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,960
you know maybe a an isolated road

1921
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:34,239
because i guess he was alone and there

1922
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:35,760
was a a flying disc

1923
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:38,640
hovering right above the road and as he

1924
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,199
pulled up

1925
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,000
and of course he was in shock the craft

1926
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:43,600
tilted enough to where he could see

1927
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,000
through the

1928
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:46,000
window and he said that basically there

1929
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,280
was a sawsquatch

1930
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,080
sitting behind the controls and piloting

1931
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,400
these this uh flying disc so that that

1932
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,239
to me is one of the most fun stories i

1933
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:56,159
don't know much

1934
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:59,120
but i'm familiar with that would be yeah

1935
01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,239
look that one up

1936
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,679
because that would definitely be the

1937
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:03,360
clincher right i mean it's one thing to

1938
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:04,880
say okay they're coming out of a flying

1939
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,600
saucer

1940
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,679
they're saying but it's flying it's

1941
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:09,840
actually piloting the flying saucer okay

1942
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,159
now

1943
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,199
there

1944
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,040
well we have stan coming on a couple

1945
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:16,960
weeks so remember

1946
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:19,520
uh remember sean we gotta say something

1947
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,400
to him about this

1948
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:23,760
you know i've known stan for all over 10

1949
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:24,560
years now

1950
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:27,440
and i just love spending time with him

1951
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,960
and hearing some of these stories that

1952
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:30,320
he has there's always seems to be a new

1953
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,120
story

1954
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,120
that he can recant to me from from that

1955
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,880
time and i think

1956
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,719
uh you know just because small town

1957
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:38,159
monsters is doing their kickstarter

1958
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,280
tomorrow

1959
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,600
their next movie after mothman is

1960
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:44,159
invasion of the chestnut ridge

1961
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:45,760
yeah they're gonna be with stan yeah

1962
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:48,000
yeah yeah awesome that'll be very

1963
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,199
interesting

1964
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,880
yeah yep of course i'm a pennsylvania

1965
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,040
boy so all this stuff is

1966
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,440
stories i grew up around hearing and

1967
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:57,199
sparked my interest in this strange

1968
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:57,760
crazy

1969
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:01,600
wacky state we live in uh that never

1970
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:04,239
you know we we've all heard all of us

1971
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,520
that live here

1972
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,520
and that camped and did stuff around the

1973
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,280
state hunt and fish

1974
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,440
we've all run into something weird i

1975
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:13,760
mean i don't care who we are

1976
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:16,800
something somebody's seen or

1977
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:19,600
experienced something this is the way

1978
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:20,320
this state

1979
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:23,520
is you know my grandfather uh passed

1980
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:24,560
away last year

1981
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,880
and he was always thought this was kind

1982
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:28,640
of silly for me to be spending so much

1983
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,040
time

1984
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:31,520
yeah you know yadda yadda uh going into

1985
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,239
all this but

1986
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,239
last year a couple years ago he and i

1987
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:36,080
took a trip together to ohio to visit

1988
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:37,360
some family

1989
01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:40,560
and i finally got him to admit to seeing

1990
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,280
something strange

1991
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,239
[Laughter]

1992
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,480
after you know 30 years of being on this

1993
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:48,159
planet together i finally got him to

1994
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:49,600
admit to seeing something he couldn't

1995
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,080
explain

1996
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,960
he was out fishing and he uh was getting

1997
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:54,080
ready to call tonight

1998
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:55,600
and pack his stuff up and he was heading

1999
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,159
back to his truck and he saw something

2000
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,880
run across the trail in front of him in

2001
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,800
his lantern light

2002
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:05,199
and he never really paid it much thought

2003
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,719
but the more he listened to me over the

2004
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:08,800
years the more he wondered himself

2005
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,920
did he run into something strange

2006
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,159
he never admitted it but i got him to

2007
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:16,880
admit that much

2008
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:19,600
well that's just that's something yeah

2009
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,880
more than i ever thought i'd get out of

2010
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,400
him you know he's an outdoorsman for

2011
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,600
life so

2012
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,840
i don't know there's always that strange

2013
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:27,600
pa

2014
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,280
you know um i'm ken i know you're

2015
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:34,000
i'm quite sure you're aware of psychic

2016
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:34,880
attacks or

2017
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:37,199
backlash and uh you know i've had

2018
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:38,560
negative experience

2019
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,320
in spirit entity investigations myself

2020
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,040
but have you ever encountered anything

2021
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,880
similar to this in any type of crypto

2022
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,920
investigation

2023
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:50,480
or you heard of other cryptozoologists

2024
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,189
um yeah that's a good question um i i

2025
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,199
was honestly i was reluctant

2026
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,520
when i began writing the book about the

2027
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,000
flying humanoids and mothman

2028
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:06,159
of course because of course i was i was

2029
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:07,040
familiar with

2030
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:10,400
uh lauren coleman's uh uh

2031
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:16,709
some investigators who claim that they

2032
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,159
had been harassed by men in black

2033
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:19,679
including of course john keel

2034
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,960
and and others and and um my friend john

2035
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,719
and colleague john downes wrote a book

2036
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:26,800
called the owl man and

2037
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:30,000
he had a lot of psychic backlash uh when

2038
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:31,280
he was writing that book so i was kind

2039
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,640
of i was kind of reluctant because i

2040
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:34,640
didn't know what would happen but uh

2041
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,920
um knock on wood no and the only thing

2042
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:39,360
that really happened

2043
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,960
uh was about a week before i was headed

2044
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,640
up to point pleasant for the first time

2045
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,480
this was back in 2009

2046
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,199
to do some research and uh and to also

2047
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:51,360
appear on a television show

2048
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,840
called weird or what i was basically uh

2049
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:57,040
visiting a friend

2050
01:15:01,430 --> 01:15:00,480
um at uh at her workplace and she works

2051
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,440
in a warehouse

2052
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:03,520
and she live you know she you know those

2053
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,840
the little office spaces within a large

2054
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,040
warehouse

2055
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,840
and they have a thick door with a little

2056
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:12,239
fairly small pane of glass

2057
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:15,679
and as i was walking up to her

2058
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:19,199
office the glass shattered and blew out

2059
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:23,120
exactly right and there was no

2060
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:25,199
no logical reason for that there was

2061
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:26,800
nothing nothing moved

2062
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:29,840
there was no sound or you know sonic

2063
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:30,320
boom

2064
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:32,960
or construction or anything it just kind

2065
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:33,760
of

2066
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:36,880
shattered and actually the

2067
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,880
there was enough glass that was left in

2068
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:40,640
the pain that actually looked like

2069
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:43,760
two giant eyes staring at me

2070
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,199
and um i jokingly uh i was actually very

2071
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,960
well composed when it happened and i

2072
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:50,719
joked to her oh you know it's just the

2073
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:52,560
moth man i'm going to visit him here in

2074
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,840
about a week and

2075
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,440
she was pretty freaked out and asked me

2076
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,070
so i don't know i don't know if the the

2077
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,600
glass shattering had to do with my

2078
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,520
mothman trip or not but

2079
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:05,440
i certainly wasn't harmed or anything

2080
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:06,560
like that so

2081
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,760
um maybe i i guess i've been very

2082
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,040
fortunate or if

2083
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:12,880
you know psychic backlash exists i've

2084
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,400
been very fortunate

2085
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,560
um or perhaps it's one of those mind

2086
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,080
over matter things you know

2087
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:19,920
yeah some people are that are more

2088
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:21,440
susceptible to it

2089
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,640
um you know perhaps allow it to happen

2090
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:26,640
um well you know you mentioned lauren

2091
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:28,159
coleman and john

2092
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:31,280
jonathan downes and i know both of the

2093
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,159
gentlemen have

2094
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,800
experienced and have probably paid a

2095
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:36,000
price

2096
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:41,120
for what they do and uh

2097
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:43,520
in my case i may have well i may have as

2098
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:44,560
well

2099
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:47,360
i mean you know for all that i had done

2100
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,000
and you know

2101
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,800
all the problems that i've had uh you

2102
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,239
know i never even thought about

2103
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:54,000
but i know about jonathan downs and the

2104
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,280
owl man

2105
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:57,920
and all the strange things that happened

2106
01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:59,920
why he was doing that

2107
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:02,000
yeah i never thought of that before but

2108
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,830
yeah i think i think you're right

2109
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,590
you know the power of suggestion the

2110
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:12,880
power of the mind

2111
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:16,560
um and also subject matter in general i

2112
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:16,880
mean

2113
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:20,000
you know uh aside from the mothman

2114
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,400
flying humanoid book i've i've for the

2115
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:24,480
most part i've really concentrated on

2116
01:17:27,870 --> 01:17:25,120
pretty

2117
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,880
traditional uh cryptid type

2118
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:29,040
investigations

2119
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,040
things like thunderbirds lake monsters

2120
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:33,360
bigfoot and haven't really

2121
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:36,719
dabbled too much in you know more of the

2122
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:41,040
the spectral um kind of supernatural

2123
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,080
type creatures i mean i think you know

2124
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:47,040
so you know i think in in some cases uh

2125
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:47,840
uh

2126
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,480
open

2127
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:56,640
uh you know this can of worms that can

2128
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:58,880
of worms and so forth so

2129
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,800
well you know i became more familiar

2130
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,480
with you

2131
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,560
with that when you're involved with the

2132
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:06,719
flying witch's flying human noise down

2133
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:08,480
there in mexico

2134
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,000
years ago and uh that was such a strange

2135
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,920
the witch the flying witch or whatever

2136
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:15,199
that was

2137
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:19,679
things i think i've ever

2138
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:22,800
read or seen uh where that

2139
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,159
policeman had the encounter and all that

2140
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,719
you investigated that situation can you

2141
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:30,719
kind of go over that real quickly

2142
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:33,440
what happened there yeah yeah that's a

2143
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:33,840
pretty

2144
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:39,360
that got a lot of publicity in mexico

2145
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,280
it was a story that was disseminated

2146
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:44,159
across major news channels and so forth

2147
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:47,600
so um i went down to mexico

2148
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,719
in 2000 it was 2008 or 2009 i

2149
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,800
did an episode of monster quest and they

2150
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:56,320
asked me to go down to mexico to

2151
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:57,600
investigate

2152
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,719
uh flying humanoid type types of uh

2153
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:03,360
beings that had been reported there and

2154
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:04,719
uh we

2155
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,080
were based out of monterey mexico and

2156
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,880
there was this uh police officer named

2157
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:11,760
leonardo

2158
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:16,480
samaniego and i think it was about five

2159
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:20,560
four or five 2004 i believe leonardo was

2160
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:23,199
patrolling a neighborhood in southern

2161
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:24,640
monterey

2162
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:28,719
and apparently he was driving down this

2163
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,360
road at night and he saw this thing

2164
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,400
kind of descend from the air

2165
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:36,560
seemingly come out of a tree or from the

2166
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:38,080
air and it kind of descended in front of

2167
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:39,679
his patrol car

2168
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,719
and at first he thought it was um maybe

2169
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:44,719
like a large garbage bag or something

2170
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:46,719
that was kind of blowing in the wind

2171
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:49,120
but as he looked ahead he saw this thing

2172
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:50,400
basically began to take

2173
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:53,760
form and it

2174
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,000
to him look like what he described as a

2175
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,159
witch it was a hideous looking

2176
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:01,440
old woman with dark brown wrinkly skin

2177
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:05,040
and giant black lidless eyes and

2178
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,280
she was wearing kind of a flowing black

2179
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:12,080
hood or a cape rather and she had a hood

2180
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:13,600
a pointy hood

2181
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,400
and she was actually hovering she was

2182
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,000
initially she was on the ground and then

2183
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:21,199
she began to hover just off the ground

2184
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:22,639
and of course leonardo was was

2185
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:24,159
completely terrorized didn't know what

2186
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,199
to think

2187
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:27,360
uh except let me get the heck out of

2188
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:28,560
there so he

2189
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:31,280
threw his he threw his patrol car in

2190
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:33,199
reverse and at the same time he picked

2191
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:34,880
up his radio and began to call for

2192
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:37,920
backup and as he began to

2193
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:40,960
speed up backwards he was facing

2194
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,040
backwards of course as he was backing up

2195
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,600
and at some point he turned around when

2196
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:46,800
he i guess when he got to the end of the

2197
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:48,159
road and stopped

2198
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:51,520
and this witch as he called her was

2199
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:52,320
actually

2200
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,880
on the hood of his car and was clawing

2201
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,880
at him or trying to claw at him through

2202
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,400
the windshield

2203
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:00,880
and this was too much for poor leonardo

2204
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:03,040
to deal with and he blacked out and lost

2205
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:04,960
consciousness at that point

2206
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:07,440
and uh several minutes later um there

2207
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:09,840
were other responding officers

2208
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,639
at the scene uh and an ambulance they

2209
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:14,480
revived leonardo

2210
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,840
uh he was in shock uh visibly in shock

2211
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:19,760
and was interviewed by the local uh

2212
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:21,760
there was a local a media team there as

2213
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:22,080
well

2214
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,600
on the spot and um so he was he was all

2215
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,360
consequently he was taken to the

2216
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,440
hospital and examined and

2217
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,360
they tested him for drugs of course and

2218
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:33,520
alcohol and found him to be completely

2219
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:34,320
sober and

2220
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:38,320
a sound mind and this particular story

2221
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:38,960
made

2222
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,719
headlines throughout mexico and bruja is

2223
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,719
the spanish word for which

2224
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:47,040
and once this report surfaced there were

2225
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:47,760
other

2226
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,360
rumors that surfaced in and around

2227
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:51,520
monterey that other police officers had

2228
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,480
also seen this witch flying which and

2229
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:55,440
that

2230
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:58,880
in fact there were videos uh uh lo-res

2231
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,120
videos of a witch-like figure flying

2232
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:03,679
over the city of monterey

2233
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,600
yeah pretty weird now i i interviewed uh

2234
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:09,360
we interviewed leonardo for the episode

2235
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:11,840
of monster quest he was still employed

2236
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:14,239
by the uh by the police department there

2237
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:14,880
and this was

2238
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,320
five years later and uh

2239
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,159
throughout the interview leonardo as he

2240
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:22,639
was re-telling the story began to

2241
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:25,840
break down and sob and

2242
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,920
was visibly shaken and uh distressed

2243
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,600
and you know we're talking about someone

2244
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:33,520
that patrols the rough neighborhoods of

2245
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:36,320
monterey mexico this is a pretty tough

2246
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,520
burly guy and uh this incident

2247
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:41,280
uh was was you know definitely had a

2248
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,600
profound effect on him he uh

2249
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:45,679
he said that he still has nightmares

2250
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,960
about it

2251
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:48,880
he still can see this witch in his

2252
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:50,719
dreams and that she visits him

2253
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,120
and you know the eyes that stared right

2254
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,800
through his soul and

2255
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,960
so yeah pretty pretty creepy and

2256
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,320
terrifying story but

2257
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,360
you know of all the dozens and um

2258
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,440
you know maybe hundreds of of witnesses

2259
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:05,040
that i've interviewed for the years that

2260
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:05,360
have

2261
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,280
unexplainable leonardo's

2262
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,600
testimony was probably the most

2263
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,120
compelling that i've ever heard

2264
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:15,760
because of the emotional state that he

2265
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:17,600
was in when he was telling us this

2266
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:19,920
story yeah i believe that i believe that

2267
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:22,639
because i remember seeing the video

2268
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:25,520
and i think it was the video of uh

2269
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:27,040
interviewing him

2270
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:29,360
and uh you said it was my his monster

2271
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,480
quest right and

2272
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,800
uh i had seen some other interviews with

2273
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:34,400
him as well and

2274
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:37,600
yeah he was very credible very credible

2275
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,239
so you know that was one of the early

2276
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:42,239
stories i dealt with when i started a

2277
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,199
blog

2278
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,679
and it's always stuck with me because i

2279
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,000
just thought it was incredible

2280
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:50,400
um and you know the pictures this thing

2281
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:51,280
flying around

2282
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:54,480
on the on the the mesa tops and

2283
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:57,679
outside of monterey and other places oh

2284
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:01,199
it was cool yeah well you know what they

2285
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,719
kept him on the force

2286
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:04,880
so i mean obviously and you know

2287
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,800
everyone backed him up and felt like he

2288
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,679
was

2289
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:09,760
you know mexico is a different different

2290
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:10,800
culture of course

2291
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:13,600
and um sure unlike unlike here when

2292
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,280
something crazy like a

2293
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,440
like that happens it it it isn't

2294
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,920
relegated to the tabloids or you know to

2295
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:21,760
kind of a snarky

2296
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:25,360
cynical uh you know human interest story

2297
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:25,840
at the

2298
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:29,199
you know the last page of a newspaper

2299
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:32,400
it's headline news and uh yeah you know

2300
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,560
people are are you know they're very

2301
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,320
traditional they have very traditional

2302
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:37,920
view they're very superstitious they're

2303
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,520
very spiritual

2304
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,440
and they have a very different view of

2305
01:24:44,770 --> 01:24:43,360
the world around them than we do

2306
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:44,780
you know most of us do

2307
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,159
[Laughter]

2308
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,840
everyone listening to this show is is

2309
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:53,679
very open-minded but

2310
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:56,800
so what's in store for ken gerhart

2311
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,159
what can we look forward to well

2312
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:02,719
um i wish i had a real good answer for

2313
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:05,440
you um i'm kind of in a retooling mode

2314
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:06,239
right now i

2315
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,840
of course i've been promoting my latest

2316
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:09,760
book a menagerie mysterious beast

2317
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:13,520
and uh really glad to have uh that was a

2318
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:15,440
labor of love but it took about three

2319
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,950
well i appreciate it and uh you know

2320
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,880
your contributions were were very

2321
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:24,719
welcome on as well you definitely sent

2322
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:25,280
me some

2323
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:28,400
some uh great uh leads and uh

2324
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,840
you know they definitely made it in

2325
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:31,040
there's you know some of those

2326
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:32,960
investigations as well

2327
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,920
um right now i'm just kind of uh

2328
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,679
retooling and kind of looking at a

2329
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:39,199
couple of different topics that i'm

2330
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,880
interested in

2331
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:42,480
i don't have any like definitive

2332
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:44,159
investigations or anything going up of

2333
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,440
course i do

2334
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:47,280
much like yourself i have people that

2335
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,639
contact me on

2336
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,719
a fairly regular basis that have claimed

2337
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:52,800
to have seen

2338
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:55,280
this that or the other and you know need

2339
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:56,080
some

2340
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,120
templates of an explanation if i can

2341
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:03,440
provide it which i usually can't

2342
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,199
um but um so

2343
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:10,000
i do have a a public appearance coming

2344
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,600
up next month

2345
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,679
uh it'll be my first uh public

2346
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:15,520
appearance slash lecture of the year and

2347
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:16,960
uh we're doing an event called the

2348
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:18,080
paranormal

2349
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:23,440
going to be in glen rose texas

2350
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,440
uh march 18th and uh so you know if any

2351
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:29,199
of you listeners are

2352
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,639
in north texas oklahoma arkansas or

2353
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,080
surrounding areas it's going to be a

2354
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,679
great event nick redfern and i'll both

2355
01:26:39,790 --> 01:26:37,120
be there and

2356
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:39,800
a number of crypto zoology

2357
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,520
cryptozoologists and

2358
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:43,840
paranormal investigators psychics and so

2359
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,639
forth so

2360
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:45,840
that that should be fun i'm looking

2361
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,239
forward to that one

2362
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:50,560
well ken i want to thank you for joining

2363
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:51,280
us again

2364
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:53,440
and uh it's always a pleasure to have

2365
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,320
you join us

2366
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:57,440
and we always have an interesting

2367
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:01,199
discussion there's no doubt about that

2368
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:04,159
so um yeah thanks again for having me on

2369
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,520
keep up the great work

2370
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:07,679
uh you guys have an awesome show uh

2371
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:09,280
really enjoy it

2372
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,760
and uh yeah uh best of uh best wishes to

2373
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:16,080
you in this new year and uh hopefully we

2374
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:18,080
all have uh many grand adventures ahead

2375
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:18,960
of us

2376
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,639
absolutely and uh we'll be in contact

2377
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:24,400
thanks again

2378
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,310
and our good friend ken gerhart thanks

2379
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:35,920
for joining us tonight ken

2380
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:39,920
well one next week we have

2381
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:42,960
josh yeah

2382
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:45,360
yeah we had to uh we had to postpone the

2383
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:48,159
last time he was supposed to be on here

2384
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,239
uh but he will be coming on with us

2385
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:54,400
and talking about his most recent book

2386
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,560
the brimstone deceit

2387
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:58,880
an in-depth examination of a

2388
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:01,440
supernatural sense

2389
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:04,000
of otherworldly odors and monstrous

2390
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:05,679
meosmas and i'll tell you

2391
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:08,719
i haven't heard that miasma's

2392
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:12,000
or miyazama's word you since probably

2393
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,910
that's one you don't l you don't hear

2394
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:19,679
about you don't hear that

2395
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:22,960
being used too much so um

2396
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,560
well maybe we'll have some mimosas when

2397
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:26,320
we talk about meosmas

2398
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:29,920
yeah yeah really that's uh and it it's

2399
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:31,120
an interesting book it's

2400
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,679
it's some really it's some real

2401
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:36,000
correlation of different

2402
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:39,120
phenomena and you know

2403
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,320
with smells and odors is it's something

2404
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:43,920
you don't really think about unless you

2405
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:44,239
start

2406
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:47,600
reading about it uh how people

2407
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,400
you know how people notice certain

2408
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:52,320
things and that that's always seems to

2409
01:28:57,430 --> 01:28:53,760
be part of the

2410
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:57,440
you know a description or examination or

2411
01:29:01,830 --> 01:28:59,679
investigation but it's something that

2412
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:01,840
people just don't really focus on

2413
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:04,719
and uh he kind of pulls it all together

2414
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,280
that

2415
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:07,440
it's a great book let's just hope next

2416
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:09,040
week doesn't

2417
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:12,719
stink oh terrible

2418
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,719
terrible i'm full of it tonight folks

2419
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,159
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2420
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:18,080
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2421
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:19,600
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2422
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:21,280
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2423
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:23,280
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2424
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,239
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2425
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:26,560
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2426
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2427
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:32,080
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2428
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:34,719
folks be safe take care of one another

2429
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:36,159
don't let the world get you down

2430
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,600
because alan and i will be here next

2431
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:39,840
week with some more paranormal